Posts by Sea Breeze

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

Sea Breeze

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

Sea Breeze

@ aqwsed12345,

With the exception of the Roman Catholic Church doctrine on the "real presense" - All excellent references. What you have provided are several examples of testimony from "hostile witnesses" - considered excellent proof in a court of law.

This further complicates the job of Unitarians:

1. First, they have to change or cast doubt on verses that state that Jesus is God

2. Then, they have to change or cast doubt on all the dozens of references from the early church leaders that show their belief that Jesus was God.
3. Then, they have to change or cast doubt on all the testimonies from hostile withess sources, like the ones you provided.

We all have the same evidence; but for an unsaved Unitarian it simply provides evidence that those (imaginary) false scribes and redactors are everywhere!

False scribes and redactors are the rescue device that Unitarians invent to protect their assumptive presupposition at all cost.

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

Sea Breeze

The disciples of the Apostles wrote to each other a lot because of heretical ideas creeping into the congregation. So, the main beliefs of the first Christians are well established and easily cross checked. The reason Christians called Jesus God is because that was one of the MAIN teachings of the apostles. Unitarians are aligned with skeptic scholars to try and cast doubt on scripture. Not much has changed in 2000 years.

Here is a list of nine early church leaders, some taught directly by the apostles who call Jesus God in dozens of instances. This of course supports the traditional reading being discussed in this post.

Polycarp (AD 69-155) was the bishop (city overseer) at the church in Smyrna. Irenaeus tells us Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle. In his Letter to the Philippians he says:

Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth...and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead.1

Ignatius (AD 50-117) was the bishop (city overseer) at the church in Antioch and also a disciple of John the Apostle. He wrote a series of letters to various churches on his way to Rome, where he was to be martyred. He writes,

Ignatius, who is also Theophorus, unto her which hath been blessed in greatness through the plentitude of God the Father; which hath been foreordained before the ages to be for ever unto abiding and unchangeable glory, united and elect in a true passion, by the will of the Father and of Jesus Christ our God; even unto the church which is in Ephesus [of Asia], worthy of all felicitation: abundant greeting in Christ Jesus and in blameless joy.2

Being as you are imitators of God, once you took on new life through the blood of God you completed perfectly the task so natural to you.3

There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, God in man, true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord.4

For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit.5

Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life.6

For our God Jesus Christ is more visible now that he is in the Father.7

I glorify Jesus Christ, the God who made you so wise, for I observed that you are established in an unshakable faith, having been nailed, as it were, to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ.8

Wait expectantly for the one who is above time: the Eternal, the Invisible, who for our sake became visible; the Intangible, the Unsuffering, who for our sake suffered, who for our sake endured in every way.9

Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) was an Christian apologist of the second century.

And that Christ being Lord, and God the Son of God, and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said.10

Permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that Christ is called both God and Lord of hosts.11

Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Jesus] is witnessed to by Him [the Father] who established these things, as deserving to be worshipped, as God and as Christ.12

The Father of the universe has a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, is even God. And of old He appeared in the shape of fire and in the likeness of an angel to Moses and to the other prophets; but now in the times of your reign, having, as we before said, become Man by a virgin....13

For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God.14

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Armageddon is just beginning

by TheEndIsNear in

do you want to know what is really behind the fake coronavirus pandemic, so-called vaccines and the war in ukraine?

to understand current events, you must first learn the history.

the world's biggest secret is that there have been tremendous global disasters in the past that decimated populations and caused the collapse of empires.

Sea Breeze

No it isn't. Here are a few things that must happen first:

1. The rapture of people who trust in Jesus

2. The temple in Jerusalem must be rebuilt

3. The anti-christ rises to global power

4. Damascus is wiped off the map.

5. People have some sort or "mark" that without it, you can neither buy nor sell anything

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Creepy WT Video Seems to Make the 144K Our Savior

by Sea Breeze in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hcyj279vek&ab_channel=witnessforjesus.

Sea Breeze

Looks like he is preparing the rank and file for a Jonestown type showdown.

He has the villainous German accent and everything.

Looks like he’s right out of a James Bond movie….only he’s for real.

‘zie must be obedient, yah’ ?

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An Apex Body to rule the global financial system

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

un and g20 and international financial institutions are working to set up the following: (a quote from the pdf at .

https://indonesia.un.org/en/238877-our-common-agenda-policy-brief-6-reforms-international-financial-architecture.

action 2: create a .

Sea Breeze

it will be interesting to see where the Borg stand on these things, but going by their stance on the clot shots they will almost certainly tow the line. They will tell everyone to obey the superior authorities and go along with it all.

The Watchtower was an early pioneer in the area of social control.

Social Credit Scores have been in place for years in China. Humans telling other humans how valuable they are as a human. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXyzpMDtpSE&ab_channel=FRANCE24English

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Songs that trigger you as a former member.

by Riley in

so randy meisner from the eagles passed away today and it got me thinking.

what the hell was hotel california about ?

my list.

Sea Breeze

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Songs that trigger you as a former member.

by Riley in

so randy meisner from the eagles passed away today and it got me thinking.

what the hell was hotel california about ?

my list.

Sea Breeze

"Going off the rails on a crazy train" - Black Sabbath

"Losing my religion" - Depech Mode

"Don't Look Back" - Boston

"All Along the Watchtower" - Jimmy Hindrix

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

Sea Breeze

I have no interest in talking to you further right now, Sea Breeze

Well, I can certainly understand that. I am heartened by the fact that you seem to have latched on to the concept of Underserved Kindness.

But, unfortunately I see no evidence that you have entered into a contractural relationship with Jesus "for the forgiveness of sins" - Mt. 26: 27-28 Don't you want to get your sins forgiven?

The bigger problem, as I see it, is that even if you did want to get your sins forgiven by means of the blood of the New Covenant, you would try to make a deal with THE WRONG JESUS....one that doesn't exist, one that didn't raise his own body from the dead, one that went back to the ground or was simply disappeared.

The Jesus Christians are saved by has "a name that is above every name", Why? Because he did what no one could ever do - raise himself (his body) from the dead. It is every Christian's guarantee that they will live as long as Jesus does in their own body... just like Jesus.

The apostles never taught that Jesus would receive a different body. You must know that. If we preach anything other than what the apostes preached we are cursed of God.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. - Gal. 1: 8-9

My advice is to simply find a decent bible-believing church (preferably a majority text preaching church) and just go, sit quielty and listen for 2-3 years.... make a few genuine friends at some of the pot-lucks while you are at it....Friends that may not care if you don't come all the time, but are happy to see you when you do.

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

Sea Breeze

EP,

Here is the verse in question with Strongs numbers that anyone can look up:

John 2:21 - But G1161 he G1565 spake G3004 of G4012 the G3588 temple G3485 of his G848 body G4983.

The Greek word is SOMA. It means body.... as opposed to the other two parts of man - his soul and spirit. For instance:

And fear not them which kill the body, G4983 but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body G4983 in hell. - Mt. 10: 28

Jesus specifically states his BODY is what will be raised. That is a fact. It is clearly recorded in scripture for eternity. It read the same 2000 years ago. It will read the same in 2 years from now and 2000 years from now. You cannot change that fact, no matter how hard you try, no matter how much you dislike the fact that Jesus predicted, that while dead, He would raise his own body from the dead; it will read the same in any language.

Your interpretation doesn't fit the leading of the holy spirit or the healthful teaching.

How would you know? Only born again Christians are inhabited and led by the Holy Spirit. Do you claim to be of the annointed?